Friday, February 28, 2014

Is it true to say that now there is a "conciliar" Church? Q&A Fr. Peter Scott

Another excellent link provided by a reader.


Fr. Peter Scott, June 2005
Q. Is it true to say that now there is a "conciliar" Church?
The term "conciliar" is an adjective that has long been used to describe those things that relate to the Second Vatican Council, such as the documents, commissions, or novel teachings such as Religious Liberty and Ecumenism. The question raises the objection as to whether this adjective can be used to describe the Catholic Church after the Second Vatican Council.

In this crisis of the Church, let us remain truly ROMAN Catholics - Communicantes 2001

This article was linked in a comment in my article examining the ecclesiology of the Church, SSPX, and 'resistance'. 

As it shows the complete consistency of the SSPX concerning the use and meaning of the phrase 'Conciliar Church', I have reproduced it here to demonstrate once again who has changed and who has not.


Thursday, February 27, 2014

What comes first: obedience or fidelity? -

With the Blue-On-Blue engagement of Church Militant.TV against the SSPX, I think this article is timely.

Courtesy of the SSPX

What comes first: obedience or fidelity?

February 27, 2014 
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This article shows how the proper practice of obedience to authorities predicated on fidelity to the Catholic Faith has caused a difference of principle between the SSPX and Ecclesia Dei Communities, despite that both adhere to the traditional Roman Mass.
We are pleased to offer this article by Brian McCall which ably demonstrates the distinctive difference in how the SSPX has responded to the post-conciliar crisis versus the Ecclesia Dei Communities.

Fr. Stehlin: we must be men of principle -

Further on the theme of the 'conciliar Church', we have the following article from Fr. Stehlin responding to an accusation that the SSPX is going 'soft' on modernism.

He recounts five principles that he uses to guide his actions.

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Sedevacantism: a dead-end error -

Church Militant.TV has lobbed an accusation of sedevantism against the SSPX.

Here is their response.


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Sunday, February 23, 2014

Emerging from the Crisis - What Versus How


Eventually, the Church will emerge from this Crisis.

This is the 'what', as in 'what will happen'.

How this will occur, is not exceptionally clear at this point in time.

Personally, I am convinced that as this problem started at the penultimate peak of the Church (ie the Vicar of Christ), it is there that the solution will eventually take root.

Whether it will be a rapid or gradual recovery is up to the Providence of God.

The question for all Catholics (Traditional et al) that recognize that there IS a crisis, is what are we doing to understand it (from leaves to roots) and to help the Church to overcome it.

Divine Providence has given all of us unique gifts to put at the service of God and His Church.

Likewise, Divine Providence will throw people in our path (sometime literally).

Think of this as a mini examination of conscience:

  • Are we ready for the conversations that should entered into when this happens?  
  • Are we strong both in understanding of the Teachings of the Church, as well as in our spiritual life?
  • How are we practicing the Faith?   
    • Is our practice limited to activities (corporal and spiritual) that are restricted to our own persons or those near to us?
    • Are we ready to practice the virtues, particularly patience, and works of mercy in explaining the crisis of the Church in the light of Church Teaching?
  • As the Church crumbles around us, what are we doing to prevent an absolute collapse?  
Just some thoughts for Lent.


Saturday, February 22, 2014

Can Obedience Oblige Us to Disobey? Archbishop Lefebvre 1988 and two fundamental principles in the discussions with Rome

If anyone wants to know what is at the root of the disagreement between Rome and the Society of St. Pius the Tenth, here is it in the words of its founder:
The orders being given us clearly express that they are being given us in order to oblige us to submit without reserve to the Second Vatican Council, to the post-conciliar reforms, and to the prescriptions of the Holy See, that is to say, to the orientations and acts which are undermining our Faith and destroying the Church. It is impossible for us to do this. To collaborate in the destruction of the Church is to betray the Church and to betray Our Lord Jesus Christ.
As I wrote in another post, the similarity between what the FFI is being required to accept and what the SSPX was asked to accept are more than just similar.  They are practically identical.

They represent the two cultural lines that cannot be crossed if a person or group wants to have the 'Vetus Ordo'.  The 'accept the council' mantra is in full force now and even before Pope Francis was elected.  I heard this directly from our local Archbishop twice within an hour. First in relation to accepting everything that happens at other parishes, second in personal conversation.

To even question the Novus Ordo Missae, raising legitimate concerns, is seen as being divisive.

This is not a rational mode of operation when you consider the extremes to which the hierarchy will go when interacting with non-Catholics (Protestants et al).

There is something here to ponder from the Cultural point of view.  Perhaps more on that thought in a later post.

The following statement provides the full context for the above quotation.


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A Digest of Articles

There is a lot happening as the crisis of the Church moves towards what may or may not be a climax: The Canonization of Pope John Paul II.

Instead of putting together a single post for each one (as my time is limited these days), I've put together a digest.  These articles highlight some of the ebbs and flows in the crisis or point out some of the cultural norms that stand at odds with the current dominating culture within the Church.

Thursday, February 20, 2014

Cognitive Dissonance

Reblogged from Tradicat

I was on my way to the forum one day when ...

In some recent discussions about the documents of Vatican II, I recently encountered an interesting aspect of human behaviour.

The whole argument started when I stated that one way the Church could solve this crisis would be a correction (rewriting) of the documents of the Council.

Wednesday, February 19, 2014

Monday, February 17, 2014

Lefebvre: love the Church, not controversy -

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As defined by Archbishop Lefebvre, the Society of St. Pius X's resistance to Modernism is not based on the spirit of rebellion or controversy, but upon a love for Holy Mother Church.
We present this editorial of Fr. Michel Simoulin from the February 2014 issue ofLe Seignadou, the newsletter of the SSPX's priory of St. Joseph-des-Carmes in Montreal de l'Aude, France.
The Association of Fr. de Chivre has just published its 39th paper on the topic of “the Church”. These sermons by Fr. de Chivre date back to the time before, during and after the last Council. It seems to me that meditating on them can help us to “remain level-headed”.
For several months now actually, it has seemed that a wind of madness is blowing in our circles, and this wind is so violent and irrational that it has caused some priests or laypeople to fall—too many, but fortunately not as many as they would like you to think. Some fall to the left, finding Bishop Fellay too strict, the others fall to the right, finding him too lax or liberal. Thank God, the great majority continues to walk straight ahead, faithful to the spirit of Archbishop Lefebvre.

Sunday, February 16, 2014

Prudence In What We Do - Imitation of Christ Book 1 Chapter 4


Providence placed this chapter before my eyes today. May we all profit by the wisdom contained in these words.

We must not be easy in giving credit to every word and suggestion, but carefully and leisurely weigh the matter according to God. 
Alas! such is our weakness, that we often more readily believe and speak of another that which is evil than that which is good. 
But perfect men do not easily give credit to every report, because they know man's weakness, which is very prone to evil and very subject to fail in words. 
It is great wisdom not to be rash in our doings; nor to maintain too obstinately our own opinion: Nor should we believe every man's word; nor presently tell others the things which we have heard or believed. 
Consult with the wise and conscientious man (Tobias VI 19) and seek rather to be instructed by one who is better, than to follow thine own inventions. 
A good life makes a man wise according to God, and expert in many things. The more humble a man is in himself, and more subject to God, the more wise will he be in all things and the more at peace. (Imitation of Christ Book 1, Ch5)

Saturday, February 15, 2014

After the Council - Archbishop Lefebve's Reply to Cardinal Ottaviani -

Was all calm after the Council or did the crisis burst to the surface immediately?

One year after the Council was concluded, the errors that would become common today were already coming into the light of day.


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Forget the Reformation - It is time for Abrogation - Louie Verrecchio

Mr. Verrecchio has pointed out one solution to this crisis that is a dream of many Traditional Catholics of my acquaintance: The complete obliteration of the Novus Ordo Missae.

If this were to occur, undoubtedly a revolt would occur within the Church, but the battle lines would be much clearer.  I assume that a lot of material heretics would make the transition to being formal heretics.


Courtesy of Louie Verrecchio

A recent article by Fr. Thomas Kocik on the New Liturgical Movement website, Reforming the Irreformable?,is getting some well-deserved attention in traditional circles. (Do yourself a favor and read it in its entirety if you haven’t already.)

Declaration on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the episcopal consecrations -

Courtesy of DICI

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During the Pontifical High Mass celebrated in honour of the 25th anniversary of the episcopal consecrations, Bishop Bernard Fellay read the declaration signed by the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, which he introduced in these words:
If we are assembled here together today, it is to thank the good God, firstly for the action taken here already twenty-five years ago by our venerated founder, Archbishop Lefebvre, together with Bishop de Castro Mayer: the episcopal consecrations, which the Archbishop called at the time “Operation Survival”. Looking back over these twenty-five years we can see now to what extent his words not only were, but indeed are true. And so our thanksgiving, our gratitude to the Archbishop, to Divine Providence and to all its instruments is very great today.

Thirty Days Prayer to Our Lady -


Providence has cast this prayer in my path twice in the last week.  I decided to post it here in order to have a copy handy.


Source Intro Prayer

With the condition of affairs in the cultural, political and physical world in a state of disarray we enter Lent - Ash Wednesday - February 25th - 2004 - more compelled then ever to pursue, diligently and faithfully, our personal road to holiness. It is a long, difficult path each of us treads, however, we do know the journey can be sweeter and more blessed if we travel it with others. Jesus has told us: "Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, I am with you." And there are many other biblical passages, as well, that urge us to love and help one another.

A 'Thirty Day Prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary ' was said by many Catholics during troubled times in their lives up until Vatican II. While looking through old stored away boxes, I came across a small white prayer book of the kind given to children making their First Communions. Inside the cover, in childlike writing, was the name Ellen Reddy. Ellen was my aunt who died when she was eight years old in 1915. The ivory corners of the little book were worn and I noticed in the center there were pages with frayed edges. I opened to those pages and it was the Thirty Day Prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary. After her little daughter's death, my grandmother must have repeated the prayer over and over feeling a strong bond of connection to Mary, at the foot of the cross, helplessly watching her child die.

For hundreds of years Catholics revered this prayer especially during Lent. I know there is still interest in it as we have had requests for it from the Internet. We have copied it exactly as it appeared in the old prayer book.

Friday, February 14, 2014

Wrong or right? Conditions for the SSPX's future - Brian McCall


What constitutes a legitimate command? According to St. Thomas a legitimate command is issued by a superior to an inferior, within the scope of their authority and does not go against the Divine Law.

Much of the conflict within the SSPX is due to a mistrust of those in positions of authority in the hierarchy.

It is true that they have done little to earn the trust of traditionalists, the plight of the Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate continues to reinforce that lesson.

However, St. Thomas did not include trust in his explanation of the principle of obedience in the Summa.

If John Paul II is a Saint -

The pending canonization of Pope John Paul II will cause a number of dilemma's.

Not the least of which is the implications for the Indefectibility of the Church.

The storm clouds are thickening, stay fast!!!


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A dilemma: canonizing Pope John Paul II
February 14, 2014 
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If Pope John Paul II is declared a saint, false ecumenism will be canonized. How then should we view saints such as Edmund Campion and Fidelis of Sigmaringen, or others—uncanonized—who have upheld the True Faith in the face of adversity?

Sunday, February 9, 2014

SSPX and the Resistance - A Comparison Of Ecclesiology

Shining the light of Church Teaching on the doctrinal positions of the SSPX and the Resistance.

Principles are guides used to aid in decision making.  It stands to reason that bad principles will lead to bad decisions.

The recent interactions between Rome and the SSPX has challenged a number of closely held cultural assumptions of people in both sides of the disagreement. This has resulted in cultural skirmishes in both Rome and the SSPX.

Since it is the smaller of the two, the skirmishes have been more evident within the SSPX.  The cultural fault-line that Bishop Fellay crossed appears to be linked to two points of Catholic Doctrine: Ecclesiology and Obedience.  The cultural difference of view points is strong enough that it has resulted in the expulsion of a number of members.  It should also be noted that some other priests expelled since the beginning of the latest interactions (starting in 2000) held the same view points and have joined with the latest departees in a 'loose association'.

The argument can be summed up as thus: The 'resistance' claims that the SSPX has abandoned the principles of its founder, the SSPX asserts that they have done nothing of the sort.

In spite of the inability to appeal to a competent judge in this matter, it is possible to turn to Church teaching in order to make a determination who has abandoned Catholic principles and therefore whose decisions are lacking in moral righteousness.

What Would Jesus Do...With the SSPX - The Remnant

While many of traditionalists, having seen what Pope Francis is doing to the FFI, have concluded that he would do the same thing with the SSPX - Mr. Matt has asked a more pertinent question.


Courtesy of the Remnant

What Would Jesus Do...With the SSPX 

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What Would Jesus Do...With the SSPX
The following letter was sent to The Remnant a couple of weeks ago. It is not atypical of the thousands like it that we’ve received in recent months, posing similar questions. Perhaps posting it here will help instigate a constructive exchange of ideas about the question every one of us must answer, sooner or later: Where do we go from here? 
Editor, The Remnant: I am grateful for your strong defense of this order on Remnant TV It has dismayed me to learn of their dismantling under the Vatican’s Fr. Volpi. Your perspective and defense of the friars has helped me to deal with this blow.

To know the friars personally is to love and respect them. It is to wish to emulate them, if you love Jesus Christ and His true Church. I first encountered the friars in New Bedford, Massachusetts. I used to visit their chapel sometimes during lunch hour or after work and was amazed at their reverence for Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. I learned much from their homilies and example about the goodness of true adoration, reverence and devotion for our Lord, present in the tabernacle. Later, I encountered them in their little, dirt-floored chapel in Baltic, Connecticut. There I learned of the friars’ commitment to humility, sacrifice, and poverty. Later, by God’s grace, they would have a church built in Griswold, Connecticut. I was never able to attend Mass there regularly because of the distance from my home, but I continued to hear about their work from time to time; seeing them in the news for their pro-life witness, for example.

Monday, February 3, 2014

Revisiting the Talks: Interview with Bishop Bernard Fellay on relations with Rome June 8, 2012

I believe this interview is the one that was on Cardinal Levada's desk when Bishop Fellay walked into his office, for what he believed would be the meeting to conclude the Canonical Regularization of the SSPX.

I have highlighted a couple of points, but I would like to note that this same interview is the one that contained a test of the Pope's resolve. What I believe was a necessary test to determine if the criteria of obedience (St. Thomas) were present in the desire of the Pope for the SSPX to accept a regularization.

The key phrase:
What has changed is the fact that Rome no longer makes total acceptance of Vatican II a prerequisite for the canonical solution.  
The acceptance of the council - carte blanche - had been something of a mantra (which has been re-established in the reign of Pope Francis). This was a key change and had it been lasting, would have led to a very different situation in the Church today - just as the FFI.

Courtesy of DICI

Interview with Bishop Bernard Fellay on relations with Rome

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DICI: Are you concerned about the delay in the response from Rome, which could enable those who are against a canonical recognition to alienate some priests and faithful from the Society of Saint Pius X?
Bishop Fellay: Everything is in God’s hands.  I place my trust in the Good Lord and in His Divine Providence;  He knows how to manage everything, even delays, for the good of those who love Him.
DICI: Was the pope’s decision adjourned, as some magazines have said?  Did the Holy See tell you to expect a delay?
Bishop Fellay: No, I have had no information about any calendar whatsoever.  There are even some who say that the pope will deal with this matter at Castel Gandolfo in July.
A canonical solution before a doctrinal solution?